Episode Transcript
Dysfunction is such a tricky thing. We can become pacified in it. It'll numb you and pacify you and then you just allow it to cripple you. And then we'll walk around wearing it like a badge of courage.
We gotta let that go, right? Okay, now
We gotta let that go, right?
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And so again, it's an honor to have an opportunity to slide in here with you. Today on the slide we have Ms. Sandra Johnson. Ms. Sandra Johnson is the CEO of the MADISEL Group. She is the host of Words Fitly Spoken, and she is also author of Strategic Parenting for the 21st Century, Not My Enemy.
It is an honor and a privilege to have an opportunity to spend a little time with you this morning on the slide. If you could please denormalize the space, if you could just share a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your bio, and then we can move forward with our dialogue for the day.
day. Thank you so much, Tavares. I appreciate you having me. Uh, yes, MADISEL stands for Making a Difference in Someone Else's Life.
And I really rolled into that. I had, I'm a journaler, so I like to journal, and I had wrote some things in journals years ago, and when I stepped away from, working with the Department of Juvenile Justice, I was looking at just really wanting to help with what I was seeing in the community, what I was seeing in, social services, kids were needing help, but I saw their parents needed help too.
You know, it was a package deal and, you know, in getting involved in it's going to be because of my own personal background, but in coming up with the name MADISEL for my business.
it had to
do with me just journaling and just realizing that's what I had been working on. That's what I had been about.
And so being born in Chicago, raised in Jacksonville, Duval. Yeah. I love my city. I love the state that I've been raised in, love the state I was born in and, just seeing a lot of tough stuff as a kid growing up and just very thankful though for grandparents who stepped in. Help rescue us from, some chaos, bad choices that grown ups had been making.
And, uh, thankful that myself and, and a few of my siblings were able to be get, you know, pulled away from that type of an environment. And, uh, you know, I look back, uh, Tavaris, and I realize, you know, making a difference in someone else's life, it was because someone made a difference in my life. And that would be my grandmother.
And the investment that she and my grandfather at the time, um, you know, their, their sacrifice, what they had made. And just realizing, I think I was probably 13 years old when I recognized, Hey, you know what? I want to do something that's going to help kids to recognize you ain't got to go down because Parents made bad choices or because they don't, they didn't, they didn't know any better or they didn't choose better.
Because sometimes I think we let people off the hook saying they don't know better. Some people have the resources, they don't do better with what they know. So, uh, I'm not, I don't let you off the hook that easy. Um, I think we all, we're all here to work. We're all here to, uh, help make a difference in someone else's life.
I think that's a part of what, uh, Living is right? You know, you share and you share the journey, share the, you share, share the role, you share the meal, you, share the experience, you share your time, that's what makes know, and I believe that's what has been making it for me.
And you know that's beautiful that you Um, how do you, you conclude like that? Um, because as I was sitting here, I was thinking, what powers you, right?
Like, you know, we share a little bit about our past and those things, um, that kind of drive us. But in order to do, uh, make a difference in someone else's life, it takes, it requires a lot of energy, a lot of effort, and a lot of individuals who are the recipients of that kindness may not even be familiar with the emotional toll that it takes on the individual in order to be able to make themselves available for use like that.
So, what powers you? How, how do you power through? You know, all of those difficult emotional, uh, energies that are associated with assisting
Absolutely. Uh, great question. So when I think about, um, what powers me, it's going to love. So, um, it's coming to understand that part of emotion, our emotional self, we have a love as a part of our emotional self that, you know, we talk generically about way too much.
But when I think about it, you know what, someone had to, that love was about sacrifice. And so if I'm going to be involved in the business, I'm going to have to be willing to sacrifice. And so, Now the heart behind all of that is going to be my faith. Alright, I'm just going to go ahead and put that out there.
Having a faith in God and believing that He's the author of love. I didn't get mine from Walmart. Somebody else may run out and get a special, but not me. I need something that's going to last throughout time. And it was, it was here before I got here and it's going to be here when I leave. So there has to be a creator behind that.
So that's where the heart of it is. So when I pull one aspect of the heart, I'm going to take the love aspect and say, you know what? I had some, some family members who showed love. So I got to go out here. And I got to demonstrate that. Well, what does love look like with legs?
with legs?
That's the reality of it, right?
You know, we can talk about it on a Hallmark card, but really what it looks like with legs is really where it lives, right? How you walk it out, how you live it with legs. It's really where it lives, right? How you walk it out. How you live it out. That's
right. You can keep that. You can keep that.
a whole
Because a whole lot of things will make you have some warm and fuzzy feelings. Okay, but what's gonna stick with you? Man. When, when they're down and out, when they're crying, when we hungry, you know what, you can keep your fuzzy feelings. I need you to go ahead and walk something out. Show up for me. Right.
Show up, you know? Um, and like, I don't like you. I'm gonna jump here with this one, man. You know, cause men get a bad rap. I don't like it the way sometimes as women, we give men a bad rap. And we put you guys in this category. Oh yeah. All the dead beat this and dead beat that. No, no, no. I think anybody can make a choice to not show up, whether it's male or female.
And, and in my case, you know, I had to come to a place to where even with my mother, I had to say though she had chose drugs, chose drugs, chose her, whatever that may have been, alcoholism, all of that stuff. You know what? Um, had to, it had to be hard at some point, right? For her to say, I can't do this. I need help.
Okay. And the fact that she asked for help, she let our grandparents come in and we were, we were the, the grandparents that, that took us were the dad's And that's not the norm, right? That's not the norm, especially in the sixties and the seventies, definitely, right? They were just shunning the grandkids.
But our grandparents, they saw us as, as their son's kids. And it was like, no, we got to go get
them. You know, he, he, he's making bad choices with, uh, drug dealing, drug using. The mother was making bad choices with drugs and alcohol. So somebody had to love, right? Somebody had to put some legs out there and go get those kids.
Make that sacrifice, right? Make sure we ate. Make sure we were safe. You know? Cause, um, you know, it was hard out there for a pimp. All right.
come on.
It's hard. I don't know. I feel,
know, especially in your particular situation because I know during that time period, my mom used to say, you know, um, mama's baby, daddy's maybe, right? Right. So, so to have, so to have your father's parents, you know, willing to go beyond, you know, the, the stereotypes of that day in order to be able to attend to the needs of, of, of those children and now look at the benefit for us as a community, we get
to get you. Absolutely. Absolutely. Right.
So they paid it forward and they made an investment in something that, you know, you, you don't, we don't even really understand the level of the sacrifice that they made. And we also don't understand the level of the impact because you still write in your, your testament.
you, you got that right. I'm not done yet. Come on. Got work to do. Yeah. Got work to do. And,
And we have, we have so much to do. So here currently in the city of Jacksonville, where is Jackson? What is Jacksonville? A lot of people, you know, um, you know, they hit Duval, right? We hear that, right? And but for years Jacksonville, I believe being here now, I'm from Miami, Florida, originally.
Man, I wish I didn't know about Duval in the 90s. Right? Right. I probably wouldn't have had to go, sir. 21 years and four months, 18 days in the United States military. I could have just came here where I was supposed to be from the beginning. But tell us, what is Jacksonville?
Um, Jacksonville for me is, it's where my family is. Okay. So I, I do have family still in Chicago, in, in the state of Illinois.
I love them. But Jacksonville is where I think I found, some order from the chaos, right? I found some structure from, from all of the bumpiness of Coming to even understand, you know, what goes on and, Hey, it's, it's a good and bad everywhere, right? Cause as long as it's going to be people somewhere, you know, it's going to be some drama, right?
That's what happens. But Jacksonville, I think for me would be family. It would be where I, just started realizing, Hey, I want to serve. I want to, I want to make sure that I can Matta sell this thing. Right. Right. To make a difference in someone else's life. And I think that's what, The city means to me is being able to do that.
Now at the same time, don't get it twisted.
I am totally a fan of wherever the need is, let's get it served, okay? So, but I love the technology lets us do that, right? I can sit at my Jacksonville space. But I want my product to go international,
Right, right,
cover the states, cover, cover this country and step outside this country because that's where I want my products to go.
I want parents in other places to understand they can get support. I want teenagers in other places, to know they can get support. So, you know, I think
when I go back to that Jacksonville, I would say, this is my, this my starting point. That's what it is my, my base because I know I can always come back to it, but it also helps
send me out like a, like a springboard sends me out to other places.
Right. It helps me to see other people. And I love, you know, like you said, Miami and, you know, just the whole state of Florida. I love, you know, how, you know, what we get to have in our state. You know, we get a lot of variety. It's hot here. You know, in the summer, man, it's so hot, you know, but, uh, at the same time, we got some really cool weather, some beautiful beaches.
We got some great relationships that we get to have in it. When you know, when you make your city, your home, you know, and I think that's a mindset, right. Going back to the emotions, you know, do you have fears in your city? Yep. Do you have anxiety in your city? Yeah, sure. Uh, but I know how to find love in my city.
I know how to, how to laugh in my city. I know how to be happy. I know how to find joy, right? Our emotions go everywhere we go. And that's the thing I'm, I'm throwing in the fact that I'm emotional, I'm an emotional wellness coach. So I have to throw that in. So it's in everything that we do. Right,
right. Because we, we, we need coaching. We need somebody to help us be able to determine, you know, what gap to take, you know, what On the run and play or, you know, or who to pass the ball to when we in the half court offense, you, we, we need somebody to teach us because we focus too much today on all of the madness that exists in society right now.
And it's a lot to keep you consumed, but there is another world that you can choose to live in. And right now, I believe we choose this function because we know we're so familiar with it, but it takes individuals who can, you know, um, elevate out of the dysfunction to be able to show kind of like, um, Plato's allegory of the cave, you know, a I'm out here and it's something that's different out here.
But then when we return back into that cave like experience and for anybody who don't know what Plato's allegory of the cave is, I'm the high school dropout in the room. So go ahead and Google Plato's allegory of the cave. You know what I'm saying? Okay.
excellent. I love it.
This is simple. See, see, see, man, we, we, we're in a position right now where you don't have to be, you know, um, what society would, uh, um, categorically or, or stereotypically
identify as a person who will be successful or a failure.
Because if we, if we limited it to those things, then, um, by what, um, um, function am I able to sit here in the space in order to be able to have a dialogue such as, such as this? Because. Statistically, we probably should have been going a long time ago. However, because we are here, we prove that it can be done.
So we don't have to just sit around and just, um, reside on those things that, you know, are emotionally draining, right? Find a coach, find somebody and, you know, and, and then here, shameless plug, right? And in my groundbreaking book, uh, How to Become a Six Figure Earner,
I like it.
you can, you can read that you should always have somebody on your team That has that skill set because, because unfortunately for us, I'm gonna tell you, and it's just my opinion as we just dialogue and what we do is we're more nosy and messy than we are helpful.
So I just want your information, right? I don't understand that what the information is going to do once I accept that energy into me, right? I don't know how to process it. Transfer it and then discard it in order to be able to allow it to pass through me, but to allow me to be able to help you. So now I've taken in your energy and I'm just sitting in this fester and it's impacting so many other areas of my life because I was on it.
Operating outside of my skillset. Find an emotional wellness coach, find a mental health coach, find an individual who can help you cultivate the skills that you need to be a productive member of society. That's just my advice to you or, or sit around and stop complaining about the life that you're living, the way that you're living it, because nobody really wants to hear that.
You know what I'm saying? Nobody, nobody want to hear it.
Yeah, complaining is toxic.
Come on.
Okay, it's his own form of cancer by the way, right? And I want to go back to dysfunction. Dysfunction is such a tricky thing. We can become pacified in it. It'll numb you and pacify you and then you just allow it to cripple you.
And then we'll walk around wearing it like a badge of
We gotta let that go, right? Okay, now
We gotta let that go, right? Okay, that happened. Step up. My grandmother used to say, build a bridge and get over it.
I was like, and because that's reality, we're gonna have to build a bridge and get over that bridge.
I gotta walk. Okay. Yeah, I'm not telling you. Oh, that hurts you. You were broken. Now I'm all into my mental health services. Um, that's what I do. That's what I believe in. That's what I studied. That's what I researched. Still. Yes. They're all kind of traumas. Yes. But I'm not gonna wallow in my trauma. I'm not gonna wallow in that I'm not gonna wear it around like it's a badge of courage because it will keep me from seeing
on.
It'll keep me from seeing what is good Talking today just hearing Jesus make the comment he said he said up every morning.
I've gotten this habit that I and I'm I'm grateful I say what I'm grateful for. Just that. What do we appreciate? You can find a whole bunch of negativity, but are you willing to say, you know what? I'm glad I'm here. I woke up. This is a new day. You know what? That's something beautiful about even having a new day.
It's never
It's a new day. Never been here before. We've never had. What's today's date? What are we rolling with on today's
Come on. Come on. Come on.
Right? We never had this date. Never been here before. It's not a recycled. That's right. Not coming again.
So you're either going to use it or you're going to abuse it,
Come on. Yes.
Showing you that you're grateful for it. No matter the circumstances. I'm grateful. I'm here. I get to be here instead of walking around talking about this bad, that bad, everything good, bad and ugly. Okay. All right. Next. just bad, bad, bad. Everything good, bad, and ugly. Okay. Alright, next! But listen, if you're addicted to sympathy,
hey, I
ain't never seen somebody get off sympathy.
you go. I like
I'll tell you,
many years ago, my mama used to call, well, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and do it for people who don't know me and know my relationship with my mama.
My mama used to call me. My mama is one of, she's the matriarch. I don't know nobody realer than my mama. I'm just put that out there. But, but when she was going through that, that, that funk, she'll call you, right? And when she would call you, you would know when you need to, you, you getting ready to get your, your social security number, she's gonna call you on the text, something's gonna happen, right?
Cause my momma, she'll call you and she'll go.
There you go.
Hey, so, so me, the last time she got me for my social security number, she claimed me on the Texas, but that joke called my phone. I say, mom, I'll call you back. I'm gonna call you right back. I'm gonna call you right back, right back. Anybody who knows me, if you get two right backs in a row, but you ain't gonna hear from me for about like 30 days, you know what I'm saying?
Because I don't, I, at that point I didn't have the skillset in order to be able to deal with the, Emotional stress that you was trying to invite me into. And now that I have the skillset to deal with it, I choose not to. So, so if you call me, what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you miss Sandra Johnson from the MADISEL Group.
Let's
Let's make sure we contact them. Miss Sandra Johnson from the MADISEL group, ma contact Sandra Johnson from the MADISEL group.
I love it.
This is how we do, but see where we at, right. Is we need to have those individuals that we can kind of lean on. That can show us that, okay, we got to normalize the struggle.
What you're going through, that's what you're supposed to be going through. Right? This is what you're going through. We, we, we, we, we. Preach. And we, and we, we confess that we wanna become stronger and we wanna be these enlightened individuals, but we don't want the struggle, right? Yeah. Back in, in, in the reggae song, one time for that boy Bob, you see everybody want heaven, but nobody want dead.
Right? You don't get there except going through the struggle. Right? We're gonna have to struggle in order to be able to get to where we gotta, where we gotta go. And you gotta a lot of struggle, right? Because I'm learning in my struggle. I'm learning my, I'm learning my weaknesses, I'm learning my strengths.
I'm getting ready, I'm, I'm able to see. All of my inner vulnerability as I decide that you know what I'm going to make a difference in someone else's life, right? So that you can make a difference in your own life at some point. Come on, man.
to reflect back on you,
I would hope
Yeah, so even during that time when you were going up I'm going back to what you just talked about with with you and mom what was happening there is you figured out When she said she had a certain reflection in her voice and you would hear it and what it did is it triggered you.
And so what we, what we've kind of been doing in this town we live in, you know, especially our kids, like they talk about trigger, Oh, you trigger me, you trigger me. And they use it in a way that becomes so negative when, and this is where they don't learn. They don't understand. I need to go ahead and deal with this struggle.
That trigger. Made you begin to think and process. So you had to decide. I hear that trigger. So here's my plan. That was you. You establish a coping skill right there. Nobody wrote it down. Nobody put it in a book anywhere, but that's exactly what you were doing. You came up with a coping skill. My coping skill is right back, right back.
I'll call you right back. And you already knew that ain't happening because I got to save myself right,
in this struggle, right? Cause the struggle is real. Like you said, we got to normalize that and let it grow us and develop us. Because really, in reality, it's a temporary address. Right? It's a temporary address.
You ain't always going to on now. Come on. A Come on.
Do the paperwork. Send that in.
A military leader used to say, Tough times don't last. Tough people do.
Tough times don't last, tough people do. And so, and so when we find ourselves and we, and we in that little bitty, itty bitty struggle, it's a itty bitty struggle, and really what we struggling with is something that is so minute, right?
That if we just address that ego part of ourselves and just get vulnerable enough to see it, right, because once I see it then I can make a plan for how to deal with it. And a lot of times I don't believe that, that we do that, um, effectively. enough but man, we're in such a beautiful day because now we're that first generation of individuals that get an opportunity to have conversations like
That's right. We get to talk about it. That's right. We're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about it and deal with it. And so when I, I also picture, there's a story it's called the butterfly story and I use it for a lot of my clients.
And what I do with this, it's just a one little, um, one page right up and it talks about how the whole process of the metamorphosis and the beautiful thing. And we all love to see a beautiful butterfly, right? And the thing about it with the butterfly, When it's going through its process, right? That whole metamorphosis, and it goes through all those different stages.
It gets in the cocoon, and the story goes like this. Um, someone saw the, saw the butterfly struggling to get out of the cocoon, and because mankind thinks they know so much, you decide to go get a pair of scissors, and cut the butterfly out of the cocoon.
Well, what ends up happening is a deformed insect.
It's deformed. It can't do what it was created to do. Why? Because somebody had to rescue you from your struggle instead of you understanding. The chemicals that are created in the struggle is what brought the beauty.
and say it again. Hey, you gotta say it again. You
Go ahead and snap on it. You got it. The struggle is what brought the beauty. We all can appreciate the butterfly.
So we have to be careful. Even when we're helping somebody else, let me make sure I don't get in the way. of what the struggle needs to teach you, because sometimes like this rescue and I, I can tell you, you know, especially being a woman, we got this thing about us a lot of times where we got, we get that mighty mouse syndrome here.
I am to say the day some of the days don't need to be saved, right? So some people, you got to let them go through some of their struggles, right? So with me, right? You guys think y'all always got to have the right answer, right? And sometimes. For a woman, we just need y'all to listen. You ain't got to fix it.
Just sit down and shut up and hear me. Right? So all of that kind of stuff goes on. So we have to be very careful. We don't try to come in and rescue like the person did by cutting the butterfly from the cocoon. You, you took away that the, the struggle I needed to have to develop into the beautiful creature I was designed to be.
And when you look at butterflies, there's beautiful uniqueness, right? About them.
None of them solving cancer though, right? Ain't none of them raising kids. Ain't none of them fighting a good fight out here. They're just butterflies doing their thing. So even much more beauty in you and me, everyone who listening and watching this, right?
So much more beauty and depth to us.
Mhm. You know that, that, and that's, that's profound because as you, as you, articulate that idea, I think to myself, if the butterfly is cut outta the cocoon and it creates a deformity because it is not allowed to complete its developmental processes. How much more detrimental is it? Yeah. When you buy that joke of that PS five of them Jordans and don't make 'em get up off your couch and go to work. And then you met up and for the record and I'm gonna say this for the record and this might get a thousand dislikes, but stop calling males men.
Right, because it's a strong difference between a man and a male. And unfortunately, as a society, we ain't really layin our eyes on no man, right? And I say that as a young male aspiring to be a man, right? We, we just ain't seen it. And so, and so unfortunately, brothers and sisters, right? We, we got so much on our shoulders that we're trying to live up to because the mantle man.
Right. That's a strong mantle. And that's why women are so disappointed when they see your big, tall, strong, handsome behind underperform
right? That's Right.
because she saw you, she was like Zora Neale Houston. Their eyes were watching God, right? It means you realize you just pinky in the brain. You know, I'll tell you, man, take it for what it is.
And that ain't out of no hate, you know what I'm saying? Because you got the ability to do more. And if we just if our community just experienced a man, oh, my God, things things would be in order.
That's excellent,
And unfortunately, we have had men, right? And we have allowed, you know, societal constructs to direct us away from the men that the universe gave us.
See, unfortunately, we don't get to pick our men, right? Right. We receive them, right? Right. We receive Marcus Garvey. We receive Malcolm. We receive Martin. We receive Elijah. We receive the Honorable Mr. Lewis Farrakhan. You don't get to pick their men. You got to accept the men and their leadership. And then you follow those directions.
Our women are suffering because As men, we fail to follow the examples of the men we've been given. And so now I'm going to take the advice. Anyway, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let, cause this let it go.
I'm gonna let it go. Alright. Oh, I'ma let it, I'ma I'm gonna let it go. Ready?
in there. You in there.
Because they ain't ready yet. Right?
Because, because we ain't ready yet. We, we, we ain't ready yet. And so, and build up. We'll build not to be that controversial in episode one. Thank. Right, because we, because I gotta get you back 37 more times. All right. I need you to agree right now that that's what we doing. 'cause we, because we gotta do this until we get people to a level of consciousness that'll allow them to be able to face all of the ugly that is preventing us from being able to, you know, Yes. Into our desired level of performance, our optimal level. So, so what does the future look like for us as we get ready to conclude this, this experience? Let's provide some solutions or some recommendations for individuals, you know, from your experience at making a difference in other's lives. What are some things that we can do immediately in order to help us change our outcomes?
Well, I'm going to go back to the butterfly story. Cause you got me stirred up with this one.
And so I would say, um, don't allow stop. We'll stop waiting. Let's do this. Stop waiting for somebody to cut you
through it You
of the cocoon before your season. Right. When everything you need in you is already there. You got to work through it. You know, we want the easy button, right? Oh, let me push the easy button.
Let me put it in the microwave. Let me get this. You know, let me get this quick cook. And it's like, hey, you're, you're, your development, your journey, your life has never been about the quick, right? It's not the quick and the easy. It doesn't mean that everything is a struggle either, right? Some things we have created struggles because we want our way.
We don't want the right way. We want our way, right? And so
even going deeper into that, I would say, you know, I have to start acknowledging, um, Let me acknowledge where I've been hurt. Let me acknowledge my hurt. Acknowledge where you've been hurt. If the person is around that you can get healing from, tell them you've been hurt.
But you gotta accept it first. You gotta stop pretending that it's not there. That you didn't you know, and it could be your mess up that hurts there. Somebody else's mess up. Um, some things we have to be willing to just let go of. I think one of the things I've noticed, uh, especially recently Just some challenges lately.
We're so easily offended, you know, Oh, that offended me. That offended me. Some things we have to decide. Even if they offend me, I don't have to be so hard on somebody else because I was offended because really it's about me. It's about me that, Oh, I don't want to tolerate this. And I don't want to tolerate that.
And we start throwing low words around and say, we build in boundaries. Uh, boundaries really are about you. They're not about you trying to control somebody else. They really, it's about you controlling your own self, right? We always trying to figure out a way to control somebody else. Waste of energy, by the way, top of the top of the line, waste of energy when you try to control someone else.
So. Take a look on the inside. If there has been a real hurt, acknowledge the hurt and start looking to get the healing for that hurt without blaming everybody for it. You know, Hey, I was hurt. Okay. I'm going to, let me, let me start working through this first. Right. And I think if you don't acknowledge that you can't move anywhere else.
I got to acknowledge that I've been
hurt.
Thank thank you so much for spending time time with us today. Um it's it's an honor and a privilege to have had an It's a honor and a privilege to have the you have been a phenomenal guest so much timely information to those opportunity this podcast and this video. Um, and as we close, what I would like to say is I would just like to echo, individuals who have been hurt. Now, let's remove, , the stuff away from it. , really quickly, because I want to talk to a targeted group I'm not talking about people who found out that a significant other was cheating on them. That's not what I'm talking about.
Right? Okay, that is hurtful. Right? And it may require for you to go and spend thousands of dollars in counseling. Or into some really deep prayer. I'm talking about if you were a victim of a trauma, like somebody raped, molested, beat, robbed, disrespected, violated. If you've never spoken with somebody and you've been through a trauma like that right now, today.
Contact someone. Don't wait any longer. If you haven't gotten the assistance that you need, it's going to be very difficult to live the life that you deserve because you haven't resolved those things. And I don't care how normal you feel right now as you're sitting right here, right now. If you've been through a trauma, please reach out and contact someone.
And that's, that's, that's the takeaway that I would like for you to take away from this particular message, um, with this particular message. Podcast episode, and again, we got Ms. MADISEL from, uh, make A Difference in someone's else's life. Um, also the author of Strategic Parenting for the 21st Century, not My Enemy, um, and the host of Words Fitly Spoken.
Thank you again for spending time with us today. It was wonderful. It was wonderful.
I enjoyed it. Thank you. Looking forward to more.
Yes, ma'am
